Was kinda surprised since I read that they're supposedly the hardest boss in the game, I had more trouble with bed of chaos. They’re hard. Poise > speed in most cases. Now back to Anor Londo. With a decent shield you can block everything except his spear-grab thing, which is simple to just sidestep or fatroll away from. Personally when I beat the ol' Ornstein and Smough duo, I killed Ornstein first and waited for breaks in both of their combos. When dealing with super smough, double roll if he does butt slam. I was stood behind pillars like people say but I was hit several times by smoughs sweeping hammer. mike. If so, focus on fat boy. After you defeated him, Smough will get super strong. Doing damage is secondary, fast weapon that doesn't lock you in place is preferable. Second phase if it's Smough you can stunlock him with a pancake weapon (like zwei). Whenever you see him jump up into the air, you roll the fuck back as quickly as you can. Then pay attention to how the attacks play out (is it one big hit, a series of combos, if it is a combo then how many hits were in the combo, what directions were the attacks going in???). Even if Smough is between you and Ornstein, do -not- attack Smough if Ornstein is directly behind Smough and has not very recently used one of his stabbing attacks - the stabbing attack will go right through Smough and hit you. Ornstein and Smough Ornstein and Smough is one of the toughest boss fights in the entire game. Smough relished his title as executioner, so much so that he ground the bones of his victims into his feed. Code Vein, for the most part, is a very casual experience compared to games like Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3 or Sekiro.The game is extremely fast-paced, and gives you enough health (and a … Sorry if this wasn't quite what you were looking for but I hope it helps. You can Poison Ornstein and Smough so that you know f*ckton of poison arrows or poison mist and also toxic mist works too < > Showing 1-14 of 14 comments . Stand behind a pillar and keep it between you and Smough at all times (giving enough room that his sweeping attacks don't reach you through it). I’m a polearm man myself so I’ve done it with halberds and Spears, but the key is really to be aware of the enemy and don’t let them rattle you. You can get Solaire to tank one, while you finish off the other. Not really proper cheese, but you can separate them: Smough is slow, so if you run to the other end of the arena, you'll get a few moments of 1v1 with Ornstein. What were you using before firesword? Keep havel instead, and use a greatshield if you want to really tank every attack. I fully admit, the first several times I beat them I felt like I just got lucky. A lot of Ornsteins attacks are just stabs. Keep an eye on stamina at all times and also have humanity set to your item bar. O&S requires more situational awareness than most bosses in the game, and this is where you're going to have to build up that awareness. Second time I was more aggressive and managed to kill Smough (who seemed easier), then Ornstein transformed and quickly killed me again. I cannot give you any tips for dealing with Smough after Ornstein is killed, but the strategy for dealing with Ornstein after Smough is killed is actually fairly simple. I think the best thing to understand while fighting these two behemoths is that while they are both alive concentrate on only one because any damage done to the other will be reverted when the other dies. More opportunity to make mistakes. Pillars also super OP against Smough. hug/stick to him. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Even if Smough is between you and Ornstein, do -not- attack Smough if Ornstein is directly behind Smough and has not very recently used one of his stabbing attacks - the stabbing attack will go right through Smough and hit you. EDIT 2: I did it!!!!!!!!!!!! The second thing you need to consider is if you are fighting one where the hell is the other? M_Cheezy 9 years ago #2. After killing the demon, the second one renews his life and takes his mate's skills. You wanna stand a few feet back. If you’re focusing on ornstien, bait out his super dash spear attack, the one where he crosses the entire chamber to eat your ass. I Finally beat them. If you aren't doing a cheese tactic, like the one I mentioned, Super Ornstein is much better. Just walk up to Smough and chop him to pieces while blocking when needed (keep an eye on Ornstein so he can't smack you from behind or the sides), and then repeat with Ornstein. I upgraded my pyromancy. Forum Posts. My strat was this: Always keep Smough between you and Ornstien. Also reiterating patience in the fight, O&S is really not a brute force fight, take it slow. I got to smoughs second phase after killing ornstein with 7 flasks. In fact I'd say it's better than fastrolling for most of the game, because fastrolling means no Poise unless you devote a ring slot to Wolf Ring. ... Like Gwyn, he’s incredibly fun to fight. If you're playing online, of course you can summon another player to beat them for you. Wiki Points. it may seem like something that doesnt matter but it does. After activating the boss once, it’s possible to cheese Sif and attack from the rocks to the left of the boss fog. I need some advice on Ornstein and Smough. So here it goes: Now you wanna be fast for this boss. It will be hard to recover if they’re together, and you’ll probably get stunlocked and killed easily. 23067. Do not lock on. Stay close yet not so much to him. Ornstein and Smough are actually really easy, if you kill Ornstein first, with a blocking character. Don't just watch the attack, watch the wind up for the attacks. Do not block them, you will die. Not really proper cheese, but you can separate them: Smough is slow, so if you run to the other end of the arena, you'll get a few moments of 1v1 with Ornstein. I personally find super Ornstein easier, but a lot prefer to do super Smough. I would avoid relying on something like Chaos Fireball - it's buggy and will sometimes do no damage, and it takes quite some time to use, leaving you open to attack. User Info: carpish. Make your way over to Smough and circle him until he is between you and Ornstein. I don't recommend any specific armour, but a strong shield can be helpful against Ornstein. He tried to move 2 times but i moved along aswell and he went back to firing at the pillar, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. William See. If done successfully, you'll be in the O and S boss room, but the fight won't start. Alternatively, you could grab the gravelord sword. Just be careful to have stopped attacking when he's about to do anything so you've time to run out from his stomp. I tried going to the Duke’s Archives but got wrecked by those crystallized undead. Pyro the shit out of Smough and then stay very close to super Ornstein. Ornstein and Smough try to overwhelm the player with shock and awe. 12 comments. Ornstein and Smough are, at their core, overwhelming. Keep your shield up. It's a very popular summon spot, and having 2 or 3 people vs. them makes the fight pretty cheesy IMO. When you run out of estus you can swap over to humanity and use it for more heals. 7 years ago. I've beaten these guys with a Cleric and a Sorcerer before, but now I'm struggling with my dexterity character against this duo. As his name would suggest, he was an honorary dragon slayer. If It's Ornstein you need to focus on staying behind his legs and having enough stamina to get away when he does the lightning smash or chase him when he jumps away. They’re gonna heal back up and be super anyway. Where Can I Summon Help For Smough/Ornstein? Run circles around the arena while keeping the camera on them. Just stay at his feet and avoid being stabbed. Also if you have any strong BK weapons like the GreatSword or the Axe, upgrade them to +5 using Twinkling Titanites. The whole Anor Londo is pretty difficult. Good luck. Get rid of the armor, you're probably fatrolling with it. Other than that use the pillars allot and be extremely patient. If you are biting his ankles from behind, none of his attacks can hit you. Like all bosses in this game they’re only annoying until you know them. You can also use Iron Flesh if you have it. Also, they are both vulnerable to poison, so arrows, or throwing knives aren't a bad idea. literally the only reason i beat knight artorius. Depending on the platform (PC, XBOX,etc), you could summon others (non-NPCs). Sounds about right lol! He was believed to be their captain. They want you to panic, to feel dread and despair. An easy way of beating them is to summon Solair (Summon sign can be found to the left of the Fog Gate, up the first stairs.) Watch out for that glide-lunge attack of his as he can still go around Smough with it. The only reason I found them hard was because I wanted Ornstein's gear. So either pick smough or ornstein and make sure you stay out of the others way. Usually, his shadow is quite visible, and you can usually extrapolate where he is based off of where you last saw him moving. Smoughs attack range is too unpredictable to make dodging reliable without loads of practice (I've died far too many times because he swung his hammer further than I thought he would). stand with a broken pillar in between you and him and he will just fire lightning at the pillar. When Smough reaches you, run to the other end again, and if Ornstein doesn't follow you quickly enough, wait for Smough to reach you, rinse and repeat until Ornstein falls. Snipe Away - Victory Achieved. Locking onto Ornstein for the duration of the fight is an awful idea. I understand there are numerous places to go to and I was wondering where I should go next. I need some help BAD. turk173 9 years ago #1. I tried summoning solaire but he just dies before even one guy is left. "Cheesing" means to defeat a boss with as little effort as possible, without the cheese being harder than the actual fight. You watch what they do, learn the attacks, time the openings, and wait for your chance to strike. Just be patient. I've summoned solaire, i got quelaags fury sword for fire damage. In that case, use a fire weapon or pyromancies. Pyromancies will help, especially if you have Great Combustion. Did the latter and the fight was disturbingly easy. O and S are still in there, but they just stand there. Try to keep them lined up: make sure that the one you're attacking is between you and the other at all times, if possible. Good luck! New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Smough should be easy enough alone just roll away when he does his ground pound,again the windup is super obvious. There are lots of strategies to cheese the different bosses in Sekiro, but there are few tricks to beat Ornstein and Smough. ALWAYS be aware of where Smough is so that you can avoid his attacks without locking onto him too often. You already said you've been to the second form of Smough a few times, so you know you can do it! Apr 27, 2017 @ 7:49am This only really matters for Gravelord Sword or Dark Silver Tracer users, though. Also there's a phase two Ornstein cheese that kills him instantly via a glitch but I forgot what it was. Otherwise a crossbow would do fine. Slow but incredibly safe tactic. Seriously, try to avoid Smough until Soliare catches his attention. Let's say you are the small "x" and Smough is the big "X" you want to stay behind a pillar(O) like this: XO x Just make him run against the pillar at all times until he does a jumping smash attack - NOW IS THE TIME TO RUSH AND GET A HIT! So you try to focus on smough but ornstein shoves his spear up your a$$. Usually you can get to Ornstein before he does any stabbing attacks. You may consider changing up your equipment a little bit just for this fight to go lighter so you can dodge more easily, but fatrolling can often get the job done if you know what you're doing. Press J to jump to the feed. 9 Taurus Demon- Easier Than Sekiro. Do you have a decent shield? Shouldn't have an issue with that equipment. Ornstein is the faster one so you focus on ornstein but then smough comes up. Focus on ornstien then. MaenaZ. My biggest problem is I can't block their attacks because my shield doesn't have enough stability, but I don't want to needlessly put extra points into strength just for this one fight. The moment you're overcome by that is the moment you lose, but not a second before. Did you mean to blast Ornstein? Ornstein is the smaller of the two, and glides around the arena dealing fast lightning attacks with his spear. They will alternate attacks most of the time. Patience is key, get a couple hits in then switch sides. Now, if you're going to kill Smough first, as I was, what you want to do is wait for Smough to be between you and Ornstein. Maybe it's because I'm used to them just smearing me on the wall and floor. This tactic worked like a charm for me and it took me about 3 tries on my first playthrough and only one try on my second. It took me three days, but I finally did it!!!! Time is on your side here because sooner or later, you'll beat them for sure. Dragon Slayer Ornstein Information Ornstein is the captain of the Four Knights of Gwyn Lord of Cinder, serving alongside Artorias the Abysswalker, Lord's Blade Ciaran, and Hawkeye Gough. Feel free to do either one though. some green blossoms should help. All of their attacks can be dodged with good timing (although noone expects to be able to dodge all of it, that's just not realistic unless if you're really experienced). The Taurus Demon is without a doubt easier than bosses from Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice. to make the first phase easier and use that to kill Ornstein. yes, or blight town, the whole not sure where I could walk while being shot at by a toxic dart I can't see. I finally beat Ornstein and Smough (with help of Solaire in the first half though) and now I’m not sure where to go now. Most people put the summon sign near the bonfire in the castle, I think. Before the boss, try to take care of the big guardian knights in the big hall with Soliare (You can summon him). If successful, you should be able to outrun the lightning blast. If you feel too frustrated right now, take a break, go outside, get some fresh air, and try again tomorrow. 0. 2 Artorias. If you are under him, but not behind, his backdash swipe will get you. Your goal here is, regardless of which person you want to kill first, to block or dodge all of Ornstein's attacks. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Some tries are a fucking wash and you just have to try again. But enhanced Smough (after killing Ornstein) makes the similar attack but also uses lightning beams - avoid this for all costs by rolling backwards twice! Not really a cheese as you still need to pay attention for both of their charges, but it was a fairly reliable strategy for me. I'm not sure of this, but I believe that if you hug him while he does the variation of this attack where he doesn't jump in the air first, it will swing over you. 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